Preserved Classic Buses - How Did We Get Here
?
Last updated 20 November 2007
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Apart from the foresighted policy by some bus operators (particularly London)
of putting aside examples of their early vehicles for posterity, it is normally
accepted that the first private individual or group to save a bus successfully
in Britain was the legendary Prince Marshall (along with Ken Blacker, Michael
Dryhurst and others) in 1956, making their glorious 1929 AEC Regal T31 therefore
'the grandfather of all preserved buses'. Thankfully it is still with us
today. Since that time, the number of vehicles in preservation (most of them
privately-owned) has blossomed enormously, and even Prince Marshall would
look in disbelief at the scale and variety of the modern bus preservation
movement.
Five years after the rescue of T31, in the October 1961 issue of the Ian
Allan magazine Buses Illustrated, editor Alan Townsin published a
list of public service vehicles known to be in preservation at that time.
The list was supposedly accurate to July 1961, and was itself based on another
list published on 12 August 1961 in the magazine Modern Transport.
That original list was compiled largely by John Parke, deputy editor of
Modern Transport, with the assistance of (among others) the Hon.Secretary
of the Vintage Passenger Vehicle Society, and the Curator (Historical Relics)
of the British Transport Commission. My thanks and acknowledgements to all
the parties mentioned above for the use of the list.
Forty odd years on, that list makes interesting reading. I have reproduced
the basic contents of it below (although excluding trolleybuses, of which
there were 5). It was laid out in chronological order of manufacture date,
and listed the date, the registration, type, body, current owner, and original
operator.
I have added a link from each registration number to notes below, with brief
comments about subsequent status, corrections to errors and other additional
information. On the second list, click on the registration again to return
to the original entry.
The total number listed is 76 (in comparison with perhaps 5000+ today), and
no post-war vehicles were shown, yet this constituted probably the first
attempt to assess the state of the bus preservation movement. The editor
noted that "there may well be others, and there are, of course, many interesting
old vehicles still in public service" - indeed there were. Anyway, here is
the list (virtually verbatim, all mistakes and omissions faithfully reproduced
!), and the only significant change I have made is to colour-code the entries.
Green = Survivor today,
Red = No longer survives, Black = status not
known
THE ORIGINAL LIST
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1904, XM 215, Thames
Ironworks / Thames Ironworks B24, H.Goody
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1909, EC 934, Commer
20hp / ?? B11, R.G.Sloan (ex Lord Lonsdale)
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1910, LN 4743, LGOC
'B' / ?? OT34OS, A.O.C.A. ('Ole Bill', ex LGOC)
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19??, LA 9928, LGOC
'B' / ?? OT34OS, B.T.C. (ex LGOC)
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1912, W 963, Daimler (NC)
/ Barton Ch22, Barton (replica of 1908 original)
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1913, BM 2856, Commer
WP3 25hp / ?? 15, Commer (ex Lord
Lonsdale)
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1917, CD 9456, Guy (NC)
/ ??, Guy (ex Downland Cars, Brighton)
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1919, BK 2986, Thorneycroft
J / Dodson OT34OS, Portsmouth (ex Portsmouth Corpn.)
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1920, XC 8059, AEC 'K'
/ LGOC OT46OS, BTC (ex LGOC)
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1920, ---, Unic MIA2 / chassis only, VPVS
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1921, EP 1673, Ford
Model TT / ?? B??, M.M.M.
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1922, DD 475, Ford Model
T, Healey B??, VPVS
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1922, CD 7045, Leyland
G7 / Short OT51OS, Gosport & Fareham O.C. (ex Southdown etc.)
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1923, XM 7399, AEC
'S' / LGOC OT54OS, BTC (ex LGOC)
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1923, MN 2615, Tilling
Stevens TS3A (NC) / chassis only, BTC, (ex Douglas Corpn.)
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1924, MR 3879, Reo Speed
Wagon / ?? C14D, VPVS
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1927, YR 3844, AEC NS
/ LGOC H52OS, BTC (ex LGOC)
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1927, UO 1477, Austin
22hp / ?? T13, VPVS (ex Sidmouth Motor Co.)
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1927, UO 2331, Austin
22hp / Tiverton * B13F, Shears (ex Sidmouth Motor Co.)
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1927, J 8462, Leyland
Lioness PLC1 / ?? C26R, Leyland (ex Royal shooting brake)
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1927, KW 474, Leyland
Lion PLSC1 / Leyland B31F, LVVS (ex Blythe & Berwick etc.)
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1927, KW 1961, Leyland
Lion PLSC3 / Leyland B35F, VPVS (ex Blythe & Berwick etc.)
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1928, J 4601, Leyland
Lion PLSC1 / Leyland B31F, BTC (ex Jersey Motor Transport)
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1929, UU 6646, AEC Regal
(T) / LGOC B30R, VPVS (ex LGOC)
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1929, CC 9305, Dennis
GL / J.Roberts T19, Shears (ex Llandudno UDC)
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1929, CC 9424, Dennis
GL / J.Roberts T19, VPVS (ex Llandudno UDC)
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1929, KW 6025,
Leyland Lioness PLC1 / chassis only, VPVS (ex Bradford)
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1929, DM 6228, Leyland
Lioness LTB1 / Burlingham C26D, Shears (ex Brooke Bros., Rhyl)
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1929, BR 7132, Leyland
Lion LT1 / Leyland B35F, VPVS (ex Sunderland Corpn.)
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1929, VL 1263, Leyland
Lion LT1 / Bracebridge B28F, LVVS (ex Lincoln Corpn.)
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1929, TF 818, Leyland
Lion LT1 / Roe B30F, LVVS (ex Lancashire United)
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1929, DR 4902, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Leyland L51OS, BTC (ex Western National etc.)
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1929, WH 1553, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Leyland L51R, Leyland (ex Bolton Corpn. etc.)
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1929, UF 4813, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Brush OT51OS, Southdown (ex Southdown)
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1929, UY 6596, Thorneycroft
A2 Long / Strachan B20F, VPVS (ex Worcester College for the Blind)
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1930, LJ 2941, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Leyland L48R, VPVS (ex Hants & Dorset)
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1931, GK 3192, AEC Regent
(ST) / ?? H48R, BTC (ex LGOC etc.)
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1931, EX 2877, AEC Regent
/ United H48R, VPVS (ex Great Yarmouth Corpn.)
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1931, GK 5323, AEC
Renown (LT) / LGOC H56R, BTC (ex LGOC etc.)
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1931, GK 5486, AEC
Regal (T) / Duple C30F, BTC (ex Green Line etc.)
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1931, VO 6806, AEC Regal
/ Craven B32F, BTC (ex Bevan & Barker etc.)
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1931, VF 8157, Chevrolet
LQ / Bush & Twiddy C14D, VPVS (ex Bush & Twiddy etc.)
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1931, GW 713, Gilford
168OT / Weymann C30R, VPVS (ex Ealing Direct Coaches)
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1931, DX 9547, Gilford
AS6 / Eaton B20F, Mulley (ex Mulley, Ixworth)
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1931, J 1199, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Leyland L48R, Shears (ex Jersey Motor Transport)
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1931, UF 7428, Leyland
Titan TD1 / Short Bros. H50R, VPVS (ex Southdown etc.)
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1931, TV 4847, Leyland
Cub / ?? C26, Shears (ex Skill's, Nottingham etc.)
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1931, AG 6740, Reo Gold
Crown / Emcol B20F, VPVS (ex ??)
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1932, WG ??, Albion Valkyrie
/ Alexander B34F, VPVS (ex Alexander)
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1932, J 6332, Leyland
Titan TD2 / Leyland H48R, VPVS (ex Jersey Motor Transport)
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1932, RB ???,
Morris-Commercial Dictator / Morris B32F, VPVS (ex Chesterfield
Corpn.)
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1934, AYV 651, AEC Regent
(STL) / LPTB H56R, BTC (ex LPTB etc.)
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1934, JG 4234, Dennis
Ace (NC) / East Kent B20F, VPVS (ex East Kent)
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1934, TJ 6760, Leyland
Lion LT5A / Leyland B34R, VPVS (ex Lytham St.Annes)
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1934, CN 6100, N.G.T.
SE6 / Short B44F, BTC (ex Northern General)
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1935, BXD 576, AEC 'Q'
/ Birmingham R.C.W. B37C, BTC (ex LPTB etc.)
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1935, AAA 756, Albion
Victor (NC) / Abbott C20C, VPVS (ex King Alfred)
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1935, CTW 210, Dennis
Ace (FC) / Dennis C20F, VPVS (ex Eastern National)
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1935, JR 3520, Gilford
168SD / Wycombe C26F, VPVS (ex C.R.Robson, Hexham)
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1935, AAX 27, Leyland Bull
TQ2 / Burlingham * B32F, Shears (ex West Monmouthshire)
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1935, FW 5698, Leyland
Tiger TS7 / Burlingham * B35F, LVVS (ex Lincolnshire)
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1936, BTB 928, Leyland
Lion LT7C / Leyland B34R, Shears (ex Lytham St.Annes)
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1936, CLX 548, Leyland
Cub SKPZ2 / Park Royal C20C, VPVS (ex LPTB)
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1937, DLU 92, AEC Regent
(STL) / LPTB H56R, VPVS (ex LPTB etc.)
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1937, DLU 400, Leyland
Titan TD4 (STD) / Leyland H56R, VPVS (ex LPTB etc.)
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1937, ZC 714, Leyland
Titan TD4 / Leyland H54R, T.M.S.I. (ex Dublin United etc.)
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1937, DUF 179, Leyland
Tiger TS7 / Harrington C32R, Shears (ex Southdown)
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1938, ECV 412, Dennis
Ace (NC) / Mumford B20F, VPVS (ex Pearce, Polperro)
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1938, EFJ 666, Leyland
Tiger TS8 / Craven B32R, Shears (ex Exeter Corpn.)
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1939, CBC 321, AEC Renown
/ Northern Counties H64R, VPVS (ex Leicester)
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1939, AJN 825, Bristol
K5G / ECW L53R, BTC (ex Westcliff etc.)
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1939, FJJ 774, Leyland
(TF) / LPTB C34F, BTC (ex LPTB etc.)
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1939, FXT 120, Leyland
(CR) / LPTB B20F, BTC (ex LPTB etc.)
Key to Abbreviations
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* = Not original
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BTC = British Transport Commission (all stored at Clapham)
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(FC) = Forward Control
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LVVS = Lincolnshire Vintage Vehicle Society
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MMM = Montagu Motor Museum, Beaulieu
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(NC) = Normal Control
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Shears = The Shears Vintage Vehicle Colection, Exeter
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T.M.S.I. - Transport Museum Society of Ireland
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VPVS = Member of the Vintage Passenger Vehicle Society
WHERE ARE THEY NOW (and other notes) ?
(Click on the registration number to return to the original list entry)
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XM 215,
Thames Ironworks; Now with National
Motor Museum, Beaulieu.
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EC 934,
Commer 20hp; still with R.G.Sloan
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LN
4743, LGOC 'B'; Actually an AEC 'B' with
LGOC body. Now at Imperial War Museum.
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LA
9928, LGOC 'B'; Actually an AEC 'B' with
LGOC body. Now at London Transport Museum.
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W 963,
Daimler (NC); Daimler CJA with 1953 body. Still with Barton.
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BM
2856, Commer WP3 25hp; Body by Commer.
Now with Yorkshire Car Collection.
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CD
9456,
Guy (NC); Presumed scrapped in the early
1960s, ex-Guy Motors Collection.
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BK
2986, Thorneycroft J; Now with Portsmouth
Museums.
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XC
8059, AEC 'K'; Now at London Transport
Museum.
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----, Unic MIA2; Believed to be the chassis eventually
restored by N.Anscomb, Horley with a replica charabanc body and registered
XH 4004. Subsequently sold to Spain 1999.
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EP
1673, Ford Model TT; New to Jones, Welshpool.
Ruston & Hornsby body. Private owner, Shrewsbury.
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DD
475, Ford Model T; Actually Ford TT.
Healey B14 body. Privately owned, Lydney.
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CD
7045, Leyland G7; Actually Leyland
N Special, Southdown 135. Now with Sussex Coastline.
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XM
7399, AEC 'S'; Now at London Transport
Museum.
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MN
2615, Tilling Stevens TS3A / chassis only,
(ex Douglas Corpn.). Now at LT Museum.
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MR
3879, Reo Speed Wagon;
Privately owned, Enstone.
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YR
3844, AEC NS (ex LGOC); London Transport
Museum
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UO
1477, Austin 22hp;
Privately owned, Baldock
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UO 2331, Austin
22hp; Privately owned, Bideford
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J 8462, Leyland Lioness
PLC1; now YT 3738, privately owned, Warrington.
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KW 474, Leyland Lion
PLSC1 (ex Blythe & Berwick etc.); Still
with LVVS
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KW 1961, Leyland Lion
PLSC3 (ex Blythe & Berwick etc.); Ken
Blacker, Lowestoft
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J 4601, Leyland Lion
PLSC1 (ex Jersey Motor Transport); Now JCP
60F, Science Museum.
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UU 6646, AEC Regal (T)
(ex LGOC); LBPT, Cobham
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CC 9305, Dennis GL (ex
Llandudno UDC); Dover Transport Museum
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CC 9424, Dennis GL
(ex Llandudno UDC); Privately owned?
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KW
6025, Leyland Lioness PLC1 / chassis
only; Given a replica B??D body in 1981 and exported to the James
Leake Collection in Oklahoma; this collection has since been broken up and
whereabouts unknown.
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DM 6228, Leyland Lioness
LTB1 (ex Brooke Bros., Rhyl); Stanier, Luddesdown
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BR 7132, Leyland Lion
LT1 (ex Sunderland Corpn.); Michael Plunkett, Ashurst
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VL 1263, Leyland Lion
LT1 (ex Lincoln Corpn.); Still with LVVS
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TF 818, Leyland Lion
LT1 (ex Lancashire United); Still with LVVS
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DR 4902, Leyland Titan
TD1 (ex Western National etc.); Now with The Science Museum
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WH 1553, Leyland Titan
TD1 (ex Bolton Corpn. etc.); LVVS, Lincoln
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UF 4813, Leyland Titan
TD1 (ex Southdown); Sussex Coastline
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UY 6596, Thorneycroft
A2 (ex Worcester College for the Blind); Privately owned, Frodsham (was
rebodied as a lorry, but then received replacement United B28D body).
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LJ
2941, Leyland Titan TD1 (ex Hants &
Dorset) Scrapped in 1964.
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GK 3192, AEC Regent
(ST) (ex LGOC etc.); London Transport Museum
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EX
2877, AEC Regent / United H48R, VPVS
Cobham 1980s, broken for spares.
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GK 5323, AEC Renown
(LT) (ex LGOC etc.); London Transport Museum
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GK 5486, AEC Regal
(T) (ex Green Line etc.); London Transport Museum
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VO 6806, AEC Regal (ex
Bevan & Barker etc.); Science Museum
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VF 8157, Chevrolet LQ
(ex Bush & Twiddy etc.); Mike Sutcliffe
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GW 713, Gilford 168OT
(ex Ealing Direct Coaches); Science Museum
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DX 9547, Gilford AS6
(ex Mulley, Ixworth); British Bus Preservation Group.
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J 1199, Leyland Titan
TD1 (ex Jersey Motor Transport); Now SV 6107, Stanier, Luddesdown.
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UF 7428, Leyland Titan
TD1 (ex Southdown etc.); Southdown Omnibus Trust
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TV
4847, Leyland Cub / ?? C26, Shears
(ex Skill's, Nottingham etc.) Scrapped at Winkleigh around 1965, but
the registration survives on a preserved Leyland lorry.
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AG 6740, Reo Gold Crown,
VPVS (ex ??); Gerald Emerton, Nantwich
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WG ??, Albion Valkyrie
(ex Alexander); Actually WG 1448, Mackie & Grieves, Glasgow.
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J 6332, Leyland Titan
TD2 (ex Jersey Motor Transport); Michael Banfield,
Staplehurst
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RB ???, Morris-Commercial
Dictator (ex Chesterfield); Actually RB 5509, privately owned
Burnham-on-Crouch.
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AYV 651, AEC Regent
(STL) (ex LPTB etc.); London Transport Museum.
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JG 4234, Dennis Ace
(ex East Kent); Gerald Emerton, Nantwich
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TJ 6760, Leyland Lion
LT5A (ex Lytham St.Annes); Under restoration,
c/o Lancastrian Transport Trust.
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CN 6100, N.G.T. SE6
(ex Northern General); Science Museum.
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BXD 576, AEC 'Q' (ex
LPTB etc.); London Transport Museum.
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AAA 756, Albion Victor
(ex King Alfred); Dave Hurley, Worthing.
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CTW 210, Dennis Ace
(ex Eastern National); Phil James, Blaenporth (unrestored) 2006.
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JR 3520, Gilford 168SD
(ex C.R.Robson, Hexham); For sale, London area 1998.
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AAX 27, Leyland Bull TQ2
(ex West Monmouthshire); Stored in the open for many years and deteriorated
badly until only the chassis remained. Was eventually cut up in the
1990s.
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FW 5698, Leyland Tiger
TS7 (ex Lincolnshire); Still with LVVS
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BTB 928, Leyland Lion
LT7C (ex Lytham St.Annes); Blackpool
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CLX 548, Leyland Cub
SKPZ2 (ex LPTB); Privately owned, Solihull
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DLU 92, AEC Regent (STL)
(ex LPTB etc.); LBPT, Cobham
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DLU
400, Leyland Titan TD4 (STD) / Leyland
H56R, VPVS (ex LPTB etc.) Saved in 1960 for preservation, but subsequently
scrapped around 1961.
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ZC 714, Leyland Titan
TD4 T.M.S.I. (ex Dublin United etc.); Still with T.M.S.I.
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DUF 179, Leyland Tiger
TS7 (ex Southdown); Now with Burchell, Billinghurst
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ECV
412, Dennis Ace (ex Pearce, Polperro)
with Grayshott Coaches, Hindhead 1980s, then vandalised and scrapped.
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EFJ 666, Leyland Tiger
TS8 (ex Exeter Corpn.); Still with Colin Shears, Winkleigh
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CBC 321, AEC Renown
(ex Leicester); Actually CBC 921. Now with Leicestershire Museums.
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AJN 825, Bristol K5G
(ex Westcliff etc.); 825 Preservation Group
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FJJ 774, Leyland (TF)
(ex LPTB etc.); London Transport Museum
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FXT 120, Leyland (CR)
(ex LPTB etc.); Privately owned, Chippenham.
So there you have it. Out of 76 saved motor buses in 1961, only 7 (or possibly
9) were lost along the way (unless you know better?), which is a 90% success
rate over a 40+ year period. I think we should be pretty pleased with that,
especially in the light of the host of other treasures that have turned up
in barns subsequently. So, our thanks to those early pioneers and, next time
we spot one of these gems at a rally perhaps we should remember just how
we got here.
Do give me a
call if you have any comments or corrections. Thanks again to Ian Allan
and Alan Townsin.
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