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1947 REGAL RESTORATION UPDATE FROM MALTA Peter
Skerry has sent me more information about the ongoing restoration of 1947 AEC
Regal KUM 386. (Just to recap, with chassis number O6625309 it was new to
Wallace Arnold Tours with a Duple "A" style C35F body. It was sold to Hardwicks
in 1952, and then served with Wimpey, contractors, as a staff bus from 1955 to
1959. It is believed to have arrived in Malta around 1964).
Having
been in a field for several decades, it is hard to believe that the rejuvenated
chassis shown above is the same vehicle. Remarkably, the engine started up when
it was first recovered! Since then the chassis has been shotblasted and
straightened as necessary, then painted and reassembled.
A
suitable Duple body has been kindly donated by Terry Partridge. The body is from
derelict Western National 1303, a 1951 Bristol LL6B which has been stored at
Winkleigh, Devon for some years. Terry bought it because he wanted the chassis
for spare parts. It should have arrived in Malta by October 2009. Peter says "It
is a 30 foot model on a Bristol chassis with top corner windows, which of course
will be reconstructed as a 27'6" body without those windows. It has been broken
down into various sub-units for shipment and whereas some body panels, glass,
stairwell and possibly firewall will be re-used, the bulk will be largely for
the purposes of templates for a new structure. As such, a fair amount will be
scrapped, but
we have no choice but
to bring
them here
without Duple
drawings."
The
work continues, and Peter asks that anyone who can provide any information or
assistance in the restoration, or has pictures of the original vehicle, contact
him via this website. Meanwhile here is a photo of the body at Winkleigh before
dismantling. We will keep you informed of progress.....
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FANCY RESTORING A UNITED AUTO LION?
Jonathan at the Lincolnshire Vintage Vehicle Society drew
my attention to great discovery. It's a 1927 Leyland PLSC1 Lion.
TY 3673
(chassis number 46035) was new in September 1927 to Amos Proud of Choppington,
Northumberland, with a Leyland B31F body. It was acquired by United Automobile
in 1928 as No.B282, and then to Lincolnshire Road Car in 1931, for whom it
worked out of Boston, Lincs as No.132.
Exported in the 1950s it became a caravan, and (and here's
the snag for any UK-based potential preservationists) it is now in Tasmania! But
if anyone wants to restore it, it's looking for a good home. Thanks to Jonathan
and the LVVS for the info, and see here for more information .
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MANCHESTER RELIC
Here's
an interesting picture you won't have seen before. Rediscovered by Peter Caunt,
it shows a Manchester Corporation Leyland Titan TD1 in 1953. New in
1930, No.246 (VR 5768) was one of Manchester's first and only delivery of Titan
TD1s, numbered 209 to 248, and acquired to replace single-deck trams on the 53
route between Cheetham Hill Road and Trafford Park. The forty buses were a mixed
bunch - although all had lowbridge 'piano fronts' - bodied by Short Bros,
Strachans and Brush, with this particular example being a Strachans product. The
upper deck had a sunken gangway on each side, and seven rows of triple seats in
the middle. In
1935-36 a major rebodying programme was undertaken, and 246 received a new
Crossley 52-seat lowbridge body, with a sunken gangway on the offside only. Many
Manchester buses were hired to London Transport (and later to Crosville) due to
wartime shortages from 1940 onwards, and 246 may well have been one of those. In
1945-46 the fleet was renumbered, and all Leylands had 3000 added to their fleet
numbers, so No.246 became 3246. The very last of the TD1s were withdrawn in 1950, including
this one.
Peter
took the picture in 1953 when the bus was in use as a store on a farm at
Slattocks Bridge, between Manchester and Rochdale. He says that the body was
quite complete, and the pneumatic bell push would press, although it didn't ring
the bell! You will not be surprised to learn that there are no surviving
Manchester TD1s. If only....
My
thanks to Peter for sending the picture.
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REGENT MOTORWAYS
This
was previously in my "Star Picture" spot, but it seemed worth storing in the
'archives'. Mike Butler contacted me some time ago because his father used to
drive for Regent Motorways of Redditch, Worcestershire, and he wanted to know
more about the firm. Later he came across a treasure trove of colour slides
taken by his father in 1965-67 - all with dates and locations. Here's one of
them;
This
splendid collection of 1960s coaching products was recorded at Regent Motorways'
Studley depot in 1967, and shows (from left to right);
?unknown? - ?Bedford? / ?Plaxton Embassy? RNP
722 - AEC Reliance / Duple Elizabethan, new in 1956 276
HLC - AEC Reliance / Duple (Northern), new in April 1964 to Global, London
W1 SWP
722 - AEC Reliance / Harrington Wayfarer IV, new in 1957 GNP
722C - AEC Reliance / Harrington Grenadier, new in June 1965
The
Grenadier on the right apparently won a prize at the Brighton Coach Rally in
1967, and Mike's father drove other Regent coaches at the rally on several other
years. The number 722, by the way, was apparently considered lucky by their
1960s managing director John Jakeman. Regent Motorways had a large and varied
fleet which, over the years, included Harrington 'fin' bodies, Seddon Pennines,
and several Bedford VALs.
A great
picture, and my thanks to Mike for sending it (and several others!).
Mike
Lloyd wrote in with the following additional note; "Great pic of Regent Motorways' vehicles. I have a fleet
list dated 1.68 (PSV Circle) and the only vehicle which fits the description of
the unknown possible Bedford is 186 CUY, Bedford SB1 Plaxton Embassy new in 1961
and acquired by Regent 2/67 from Luxor Coaches, Abbots Langley, Herts (where I
spotted it!). It had been new to Supreme, Stourbridge. Hope this is of some
help."
Allan
Haynes wrote "Re the picture of the Regent Motorways
lineup at Studley, Redditch - my wife's old stamping ground - I drove for
Spring's Coaches of Ashton under Hill, Evesham in 1976-77. As the "new boy" I of
course got the oldest coach, an SB1 Plaxton, by then old and tired and pretty
decrepit. I almost recognise the number and I have a feeling it was red and
grey, not red and cream like the rest of the fleet - so does anyone know where
186 CUY went after Regent? I can't imagine there were a lot of Plaxton SBs about
in Worcestershire by 1976 so I guess this could be a picture of my bus. If I had
stayed long enough I might have graduated to the Ford R192 Viceroy, but I moved
my (part-time) allegiance to the Midland Red and learned proper bus work.
Daimler 'deckers, horrible Ford saloons, and the lovely Leopards, still my
favourite chassis of all time. Also a couple of weeks on a D9 when one of the
Daimlers died. Definitely the weirdest vehicle ever."
Later
Mike Lloyd found out where 186 CUY went - "After a
short life with Regent, it was apparently sold on to Fogarty, Broadway in 6/68
and then moved to Castleways at Winchcombe, date uncertain, but they withdrew it
in 3/76. All this is from my records, based on PSVC publications. I imagine it
did not live long after withdrawal by Castleways, but you never know - certainly
I have no further details." ***************************
WALLACE ARNOLD TIGER
TURNS UP AT THE FAIR
Douglas MacDonald sent me this picture, which
was originally in my "Mystery Picture" slot. It's a showman's Leyland Tiger TS8
with a Burlingham body, and the registration JNW 376. I guessed it might have
originated with Wallace Arnold.
Robert Preston from Sheffield had all the
answers. He said "You are right about the mystery
Leyland Tiger fairground vehicle JNW 376 being originally operated by Wallace
Arnold. Here are the details and history from the PSV Circle Fleet History of
Wallace Arnold, Part 1:-"
"1940 Leyland Tiger
TS8 / Duple C32F motorcoach, JNW 376. Chassis No.306797. Body No.9423 Series
2."
"Re-engined with a
Leyland 7.4-Litre diesel engine in October 1947, and the body rebuilt by Wilkes
And Meade in 1949. In December 1952 it was re-bodied with the 1949 Burlingham
C33F body (No.3610) from MUB 435, a Wallace Arnold 1949 AEC Regal III, which
received a new Plaxton FC35F body in 1953. It is believed that the fleet number
of the Leyland, for at least some period, was 66. JNW 376 was withdrawn from
service in 1954, then to N. O'Hara, Spennymoor in October 1954, on loan to
Wilkinson, Darlington, 1955, and to a showman by 1959, withdrawn October 1960.
Its last owner was F.C.Lester, Farnley, Leeds."
And Peter Tulloch confirmed it;
"From my collection
of record cards I can positively identify JNW 376 as being a Leyland TS8 with
chassis number 301697 or 306797 (there is a little confusion in the record I
have!) which carried a (post war?) Burlingham C33F (re)body. My records show
that it was acquired by N O'Hara of Low Spennymoor (later of Bishops Auckland)
from Shaw Bros of Byers Green (date not recorded), who in turn had acquired it
from Wallace Arnold (also date not recorded). It passed to 'Fairs' in June 1957.
The registration dates from 1940."
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AFRICA
Every now and again Alan Kenny calls me from
South Africa and sends some little photographic nuggets, either from his travels
or his archive. Here are a few of his recent contributions;
In 2008 Alan visited the James Hall Museum
of Transport in Johannesburg and spotted a couple of interesting vehicles. Above
is RT2634 (LYF 359), built in 1951 and exported to South Africa in 1964 after
retirement from London Transport central area service. It appeared to be in good
condition, and was carrying a 2008 road licence. Below is another exhibit at the
Museum, an AEC Regent V that was No.839 in the Johannesburg fleet, one of fifty
delivered in 1959 and bodied locally by Busaf.
I'm sure Alan would agree that the sight of
an open door to a bus garage is too tempting to an enthusiast - you've just got
to look inside to find out what's there. Sadly, these days the answer is
probably 'not much', but it was not always so; sometimes you could discover
Aladdin's cave. The picture below was taken by Alan of Southdown's Elm Grove
garage on Hayling Island, while he was on holiday there around 1959. While
Beadle-bodied Tiger Cub 1036 (OUF 136) pokes its nose out into the sunshine (has
it just had a wash?), one's attention is drawn to the wonderful aged deckers in
the background. Must just jot down which ones they are, for the record.....
In May 2008, Alan returned to the scene of
the crime and found the depot still standing, although it is now a hardware
store. Thanks very much to Alan for his pictures, which are always welcome.
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LONGWELL GREEN
COACHWORKS
The picture above arrived courtesy of Chris Taylor, who says he took it in
the mid 1950s at Longwell Green Coachworks in Bristol, where the buses were
apparently being rebuilt. They are two of the three Bristol K6Gs with Massey
H56R bodies supplied to Merthyr Tydfil in 1947. On the left is No.9 (HB 6265)
and on the right is No.8 (HB 6264). This was an unusual batch, in that the
K6G was not common, and nor was a Bristol K with a Massey body.
Alan George has pictures on his website of the bodywork as rebuilt, on
his interesting webpage
here, and differences include a new maroon & cream livery, a smaller
destination box, and new windows. They were withdrawn in 1968 and 1967
respectively. Here is another of Chris's pictures;
Also at Longwell Green's facility is Devon General Guy Arab II GTT 423. A
little older than the Merthyr Bristol Ks, this was delivered as fleet number
DG323 in November 1945, with a Park Royal body barely distinguishable from
a wartime 'utility'. So it's not surprising that the bus was in for a facelift
in April 1956 when Chris photographed it; and the work was more than cosmetic
apparently, as records show that DG320 to 325 had "Longwell Green" bodies
after 1955-56, so perhaps all the Park Royal material was dumped.
Despite the rebuild, the five Guys were put into store during the winter
of 1958-59, their duties being taken over by Leyland Atlanteans during the
summer of 1959, ending the career of all Guy Arabs in the Devon General fleet.
Like several of its compatriots, DG323 was still in store at Torquay in 1960
awaiting a buyer. Was it ever sold? I suspect not, and probably all that
effort by Longwell Green ended in the scrapyard after only two summers.
I am most grateful to Chris Taylor for two interesting pictures.
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NEWBURY REGAL
Regular contributor Chris Stanley kindly sent me the above photo from his
collection (photographer unknown). He says "I came across the attached pic
recently as I was sorting out old photos, and thought you might like it,
given your taste for Regals. I've been advised that DMO 320 was AEC Regal
O662.4583 / Duple 45107 B35F, new in 1947 to Newbury & District as No.131.
In 1950 it moved on to Thames Valley as No.131. The location is Castle Square,
Caernarvon, and the operator is probably Hughes of Rhostryfan (all info courtesy
of Peter Relf)."
That's all pretty comprehensive. The only comments I would add are that DMO
320 was originally the first of ten similar buses (131-140, DMO 320-329)
delivered to Newbury & District, all of which had the pleasing Duple
"D" type body. No.131 remained in service (in Thames Valley livery, but using
the original fleet number) until 1960 when the last Regals in the fleet were
replaced by MW6G buses, and by which time the Newbury & District name
had disappeared completely. A surprising number of these Regals were sold
to small Welsh operators.
My thanks to Chris for a fine photo.
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CROSVILLE K6A STILL AT
WORK
John Sumner very kindly sent this picture he took of lowbridge Bristol K6A
JFM 90, delivered new to Crosville in 1949 as MB337, becoming DKA337
in the later renumbering process. As soon as it had been delivered, it was
whisked off with 29 others to serve with London Transport, in order to fill
a shortage of buses in the capital during 1949-50. Allotted initially to
West Green garage (working routes 144 Ilford - Turnpike Lane, and 144a Enfield
- Muswell Hill), it was later moved to Dalston and operated 'south of the
river'. So JFM 90 (probably unknown to its present owners) can genuinely
claim to be a "London Bus" !
It returned to Crosville in 1950, but early in 1966 it was withdrawn from
service and began another adventure. Along with sister buses DKA319 and DKA
327 (JFM 72 and 80), both of which had also worked in London, JFM 90 was
exported to Canada. There have been no reports (as far as I know) of JFM
80 since a sighting in Detroit in 1969. Meanwhile JFM 72 was last seen in
a British Columbia scrapyard in 1997. So it's likely that JFM 90 may be the
only surviving Crosville K6 in the world (there are none in UK, although
there are some KSWs) - unless you know better.....
John came across it in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada, where it has a clearly
popular function as the "Bus Stop Refreshments" fast food outlet. Thanks
very much to John for the interesting photo.
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SOME SALISBURY
SUNSHINE
I've moved this across from the ** STAR PICTURE ** spot on the homepage,
because I liked it so much. Never before published, and copyrighted as part
of the Nick Webster collection, here seen in Salisbury in June 1952 is Wilts
& Dorset MW 6291, a 1930 Leyland (Lion LT2?) which originally carried
a Harrington body, but was rebodied C30R by Eastern Coachworks in 1943. Nick
mentions a fleet number of W130 but it appears to be wearing the number 83.
Can anyone provide more details of this bus?
By the way, the vehicle alongside would appear to be Wilts & Dorset lowbridge
Bristol K5G No.267 (DMR 839), from a batch of five bought in 1946.
Many thanks to Nick Webster for sending me the fine picture.
Dave Mant kindly wrote "I've just spotted the excellent 'Star Picture'
on the Classic Buses website. I just happen to have a copy of the PSV Circle
/ Omnibus Society history of W&D published in 1963. This quotes MW 6291
as fleet No.83, Leyland LT2 with Harrington bodywork - REBUILT by ECW in
5/43. It was sold to a company in Southampton (scrap?) in 1/53. Its Company
Body Number was 130."
"I'm afraid I'm not quite old enough to remember these vehicles, being
born in 1947. However, I well remember the Bristol K type from my time spent
in the bus station in Salisbury from the late '50s onwards!" Thanks
Dave. That answers all the questions, I think.
Chris Taylor adds "Your photograph (a very nice picture, I might add)
of 83 MW 6291, was one of four Leyland LT2s with Harrington C32R bodies (81-84,
MW 6289-92), complete with Walman sliding heads, all entering service in
May 1930. Nick Webster's reference to W130 for 83 refers to the body number,
and may have been W&D's body number .
A few years after delivery the original Leyland 4-cyl 5.1 litre petrol
engines (28.9 hp) were exchanged with the Leyland 6-cyl 6.8 litre petrol
units (38.4 hp) from Leyland TD1s 74, 75, 87 and 95. All four carried Salisbury
Police Plate numbers 9-12 (81-84) in sequence. All four were rebuilt by ECW
as C30R in 1943. The original Walman sliding heads were removed and the apertures
panelled over. Folding doors replaced the original outward-opening type.
'Cov-Rad' conversion radiators were fitted several years later but, unlike
certain other coach rebuilds, maroon flashes were not added.
81-83 were sold to Whitehouse Metal Ltd. (metal merchants), Northam,
Southampton 1/53 and then to A.E. Gash & Co. Ltd. (haulage contractor),
Millbrook Road, Southampton. 84 went to B. Hanslip, Redbridge, Southampton
3/52; Sparshatts Ltd., Redbridge, Southampton 4/52; a showman by 7/52.
Information is from PSVC P.H.2 - Wilts & Dorset, March 1963."
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HANTS & DORSET LION IN USE AS MOBILE
SHOP
Peter Caunt, from faraway New South Wales, Australia kindly sent me this
picture. RU 8678 is an all-Leyland Lion PLSC3 that started out as Hants &
Dorset No.268 in January 1929. It was more than 40 years later that Peter
photographed it.
Peter writes "I attach a photograph of it when owned by The Complete
Automobilist, who sold vintage car spares and used it as a mobile shop. It
was taken at a VSCC (Vintage Sports Car Club) meeting at a Cheshire pub in
early 1970. The firm was based in Baston, Lincolnshire."
The bus has survived - almost. Now heading for 80 years old, the body has
proved to be beyond saving, but the chassis has been acquired by Dougie and
Ross Scoular, who are in the process of attaching a "spare" ex-Ribble Leyland
body to it at the Scottish Vintage Bus Museum. We hope to see it out and
about again in the next few years. Many thanks to Peter for the picture.
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DAIMLER ON LONG
VACATION
Another picture from Malta kindly sent by Peter Skerry shows JVV 266G hiding
away in storage. Ex Northampton No.266 (now open-top), this Daimler CVG6
dates from 1968, and Peter explains why it's in Malta;
"I thought you would like the attached which has been here in store for nearly
14 years through lack of operating approval. There are 5 other open tops
here, all Leyland Fleetline 1977/8 vintage. Three will be employed soon by
the operator who has a contract from the ADT (Public Transport Authority)
and I am aware that he is purchasing 3 more and a spare from the UK to meet
this new requirement."
"The Daimler and the other two Fleetlines belong to an operator who failed
to get the contract. However, it now seems highly unlikely that the bid winner
will be buying the open tops from the bid loser. There has been some speculation
that someone in the UK may buy the Daimler for preservation, or in part exchange
for a later coach."
Tony Griffin has a picture of this bus in service on this page;
http://tony3972.mysnaps.org.uk/p15750848.html.
Meanwhile, sister bus No.267 is in UK, preserved in original condition by
the 154 Preservation Society in Northampton.
My thanks to Peter for sending the photo and the information.
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